Culture and Civilization

Posted: August 14, 2013 in Brain-Droppings
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Culture and Civilization

Culture and Civilization
Cannot, really, co-exist.
In fact, they are poles apart.

  1. dalvirgill says:

    Beware of a fiction that is being created by the internet. We have dealt with this in its previous avatar too. The attached photo purports to show a quotation from Macaulay. Wonder why this quotation is being bruited about. The fact of the matter is, it is entirely incorrect. Macaulay never said anything like this. Neither did he intend anything like this. Have checked the records of the British parliament and it shows no Macaulay addressing the parliament on this issue or saying anything remotely akin to the quote. The best that we have been able to trace about this quote is that it was mentioned once by President Kalam early in his presidency. Where he got it from is something that one could further examine by checking out who his speech writers / input providers were. But since 2000 or thereabouts this quote has been circulating in emails. Now it has been put up on facebook and many people seem to get taken in by this. The actual minute of Macaulay, the one he wrote in 1835 actually does not demean or say nasty things about India. It merely talks of the necessity of providing practical education, scientific and technical education rather than learning only in the classical languages as was being done in those days. The entire minute can be seen at But notice, this quote even uses americanised spellings– of the sort that were not in use in Britain in the 19th century. Can you spot the spelling error?
    Beware of a fiction that is being created by the internet. We have dealt with this in its previous avatar too.

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    Ron Kleiman
    calumnious charges have always been a bane to the truth and once written have an eager audience willing to accept them at face value if they purport to agree with a readers mind set. Much religious and ethnic persecution follows this model. May G-d help to overcome the damage.

    Dalvir Gill
    That’s how things ( Haiku included ) were affected during the Meiji Period ( 1868 – 1912 ) and now we see the Japanese Culture through an European Eye.

    Ron Kleiman
    Well we all know beyond the shadow of a doubt that our own culture is vastly superior to all others. I know for a fact that G-d is an American Until we can appreciate diversity and the incompleteness of our own views, I fear, not much will change

    Dalvir Gill
    G-d certainly is an American, with British Accent. 😉 It’s not Aesthetics but Anthropology that makes one able to find the beauty in human activities. Though i shared this to point out how quotes get skewed but these things were done very systematically and they did start by miss-translating the “religious books”. The Culture and Civilization thing has pumped me to add another “Notes to Self” ( Brain-Droppings. ) Thanks for that.

    Dalvir Gill
    The much hyped concept of Japanese Wabi-Sabi can be summed up in this one word you used here, The Incompleteness. Everything is in the process of becoming, nothing is a finished product. This entire thing could be a Great Plan but in nature nothing see…See More
    Japanese Aesthetics and the other stuff

    ( From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

    Wabi-sabi (侘寂?) represents…
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    Ron Kleiman
    in my view the world is complete because it is all one with its creator. I believe we flatter ourselves into believing that there in nothing beyond the understanding of man so when we perceive a system so infinitely complex we choose to ignore the complexities (cognitive dissonance) and believe we understand. Absent ego we are able to understand and accept that we don’t understand.

    Dalvir Gill
    I know that but the problem is that of the expression. When we say about Haiku that it doesn’t “Tell All” or that there is a room for the reader, that’s what i was trying to point towards – other than the Existence herself, nothing is complete … er … a “Finished product”, in the sense that everything is still evolving; still in the process of ‘becoming’, so should be art, especially that of Haiku-Writing. As in the above link the Tea-House is constructed asymmetrical, keeping the Wabi-Sabi element in mind. That’s the problem with G-d too, we try to explain a Whole with parts, knowing pretty well that we can’t include all parts, no matter how hard we try and to top that while doing so we feel as if we are not just a part of that Whole.

    Ron Kleiman
    agree absolutely


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